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2023.05.25 22:40 mrgoalie Trip Report: (5/14-5/21) - 7 days of parks for 6 people
Past few years, when our kids are done with their homeschool studies, we've jetted somewhere for a good week long vacation. We've done WDW with 2 kids in 2013, 3 kids in 2014, and 4 kids in 2018. 2019 we did a "California Adventure", with a few days in LA and a day at Disneyland, and then a NorCal stint to visit family. 2021 we jetted down and did a few days in Clearwater, and then Legoland, and then re-visited Legoland and Universal in December that year. We decided on WDW for 2023 mostly because all the shows were reopened - and we hate trying to battle lines and people the entire time. Didn't do a of reading up on this trip, other than for Genie+.
Couple of things we did differently than on other WDW trips:
1) We made the decision to stay off-site and rent a car. We have done a ton of traveling in the last few years, and my side consulting hustle has exploded in demand in the last couple years as well. Sleeping 6 at a WDW property is not cheap, and we typically only use the room to sleep, not to lounge and relax in during the day. In previous years, we were sort of frustrated with WDW transportation as well. Our previous stays were at Pop Century and Caribbean Beach, which typically had long wait times for transportation both to and from the parks, and the bus stops felt like the furthest away from the park entrance.
2) This would be the first trip we've made without a stroller. In our 2019 Disneyland day, that was done on a whim and we didn't bring a stroller with us, and decided not to rent one for the day and see how it went.
Our typical strategy for keeping things affordable and maximizing our time is to be at the park at rope drop, and then eating one meal that we kept in our backpacks, and another meal in the park. My kids rage in age from 14 down to 7. We decided in advance to do Genie+ for every single day other than our last day.
May 14 - Travel Day
We took a new airline out of our city, Avelo. Total cost with checked bags ended up being about $110 round trip per person. Airport is about 5 minutes from our house, and we breezed through TSA not only because we had precheck, but it's a small airport, so there was about 2 people in front of us when we got to security. We boarded early and took off early because everyone was checked in at around 6:15pm. Arrived in MCO 30 minutes ahead of schedule, picked up our Turo rental, and headed to the Home2 suites we booked on points near the outlet mall and the south I-Drive corridor. Headed to Walmart to pick various grocery items needed for the week. Avelo really was great, and we walked in not expecting much, but the service was really friendly, and everyone seemed to enjoy themselves.
May 15 - Epcot
We originally scheduled to do Epcot first because we didn't think we'd get in on time with the budget airline, or be able to breeze through check-in at the hotel. Originally, we thought we'd be getting groceries and entering the park closer to 10-11a, but instead, we were able to rope drop the park. We got boarding group 16 for Guardians, so we walked there first. Guardians is easily one of the best themed roller coasters I've ever been on 10/10. Enjoyed the entire thing from the standby line to the ride itself. Went and did Mission: Space, made me a little motion sick, my oldest daughter sat out with claustrophobic feelings. Our lightning lane for Remy was right after we got off Guardians, so we booked it back to France to do that. Again, fantastic ride, loved the new ride tech they're using now. Then we double backed to Canada and decided to do the family friendly "eat around the world", so we got a small poutine to share, and watched Far and Wide. Stopped in the UK to visit Mary Poppins for a quick second, got some chips, and then headed back to France for a crepe, and we watched the Beauty and the Beast sing-along. Stopped in Morocco for a kebab, and then got some teriyaki chicken in Japan. Headed to the US section, listened to the choral group, and sat through the animatronic show - and fell asleep a few times. Celebrated with a funnel cake. Then headed to Italy for some gelato, got a pretzel in Germany, and then our lightning lane was good for Frozen. Finished that, got some kind of dessert roll from Norway, and then went to the China pavilion for potstickers, meeting Mulan, and the 360 movie. Went into Mexico, rode the 3 caballeros, and concluded with some tacos and churros. Headed over to the Seas to do the Nemo ride, Turtle Talk, let the kids look at the fish, then went over to Soarin'. We were getting pretty tired at that point, so we scouted a spot outside of the Canada pavilion and sat down for about an hour. Got some glow stuff out that we brought with us, and let the kids do mad-libs and DIY pictionary for the balance of the time. Watched the fireworks and headed back to the hotel. Just over 9 miles of walking that day.
May 16 - Magic Kingdom
Woke up early, got group 36 for Tron, and booked a lightning lane for Peter Pan's flight. Ended up buying an ILL for Mine Train, and rope dropped Space Mountain at the last second - original plan was to rope drop Mine Train, but the ride was down early, so we had to change up our plan. By then my oldest daughter was having a slight anxiety attack over the change, so we did a time-out and did the carousel of progress to hopefully give her a little time to reset. That did not work, and she had a full on anxiety attack as we were entering the virtual queue for Tron. I ended up jumping out of line with her to sit with her, and get her hydrated and some food in her. That helped, and we waited for the rest of the family to finish. Once they were off, they all headed to Laugh Floor, while I went through the Tron line solo. As a lot of other people have commented, the theming for the ride was really well done, but I felt the ride itself was a disappointment because it was too short. I met everyone for our LL for Peter Pan. Walked across to It's a Small World, and then watched Philharmagic. Did a standby line for Enchanted Tales, and then our ILL for Mine Train was next. From there, we did a LL for the Ariel meet & greet, and then rode the Little Mermaid ride in the standby line. Rode the train over to Adventure Land, rode Big Thunder on LL, and then headed over to Magic Carpets, and then the Tiki Room. Got a LL for Pirates. Ate dinner at Pecos Bill's. Walked towards Tomorrowland via Haunted Mansion, then hit the teacups, and then divided and conquered as I took my older kids back to the Laugh Floor, while my younger ones did the speedway. By then our LL for Jungle Cruise was active, so we did that and then went over to Mine Train to walk on it twice while the fireworks were going. Closed out the day heading over to Winnie the Pooh, sat and let the throng of people go down a bit, and headed out of the park around 10:45. Around 11 miles walking total for the day.
May 17 - Hollywood Studios
Another early day. Got a LL for Slinky Dog, and rope dropped Rise, waited about 30 minutes total. Amazing experience all around. Walked up to Toy Story land and did swirling saucers, and then the LL for Slinky Dog. Got a LL for Toy Story Mania, but the track went down for maintenance as we were about to get on (more on that later). Decided to use the freebie LL for Smuggler's Run. Again, amazing experience. Took a break for lunch and blue milk. Went to the Frozen Sing-along, where my daughter decided to yell "puddle", got a LL for Runaway Railway and then went over to Star Tours, and then MuppetVision. By then we realized that technically we used our LL for Toy Story Mania, but never got on the ride, so we visited customer relations, and explained the situation, and they tossed a Toy Story Mania LL back on our party's plan. We took an ice cream break, and headed over to the Indiana Jones show. My wife wanted to do the Edna meet and greet, so we did that, and then finally got on Toy Story Mania. Most of my family concluded the day with dinner at Woody's Lunchbox, and one more trip on Smuggler's Run. One of my older daughters stuck with me in the park until about 9:15 jumping between Rise, Smuggler's, bounty hunting, and Toy Story mania. Another 11 miles walking for the day.
May 18 - Hollywood Studios (Day 2)
Rope dropped Slinky Dog on this day, hopped over to Toy Story Mania, and then went back to Slinky Dog. Swirling saucers, and then TSM again. Took a AC break in the Walt Disney movie, and then went over to the BB8 and Darth Vader meets. Then walked back over to Star Tours, and Smuggler's Run before having lunch at Mama Melrose's. Then did the Beauty and the Beast show, and then the Lightning McQueen racing school show. Had a LL for Runaway Railway, so walked back to the main portion of the park. By then, we wanted to kill time for a little bit, so we exited, and took the skyliner to Epcot and then came back to Hollywood Studios. Re-entered, did Star Tours, and then walked onto Rise. Then walked onto Smuggler's Run and was told that we got a top score by the cast member (didn't get a picture of the score). By then weather was a concern, so we went out and watched the projection show in the rain, rode Runaway Railway again, and then took an ice cream break while Fantasmic was cancelled for the first show, and then waited until about 10:15p until they called the 10:30p show. 10 miles of walking.
May 19 - Magic Kingdom (Day 2)
With all the rope dropping, we opted for a late start on this day. Booked a LL for Peter Pan's flight, and then got into the park around 10:15a, and headed back there. Did It's a Small World right after. Opted to go back onto Little Mermaid, and then got a LL for the FoF parade and had lunch, so we didn't have to fight for seats. Went back to Philharmagic, then did Big Thunder. Took the train over to the splash pad, rode Tron, and then walked to Pinocchio Village Haus for dinner. After that, we did our LL for Jungle Cruise, and then camped out for the fireworks while a subset of kids and my wife went on Space Mountain. Watched the fireworks and headed out. 7.6 miles walked.
May 20 - Animal Kingdom
We never have done either Avatar ride, so we rope dropped Flights (also amazing), and then Navi River. Walked up to Africa for the Lion King show - one of our favorites, and then a LL for the Safari, also one of our favorites. Walked the gorilla trek halfway before we were turned around for work being done. Most of the family went on Kali River Rapids, while I waited, and then we did Everest twice. Took a break for lunch, and then went to the Nemo show, another one of our favorites. Walked back to Africa for one more safari, then called it a day with dinner at Flame Tree BBQ. Went back to the hotel to do laundry and swimming. Ended up taking one of our kids to Disney Springs to hit World of Disney to pick up something that she was eying. 10 miles walked.
May 21 - Epcot (Day 1.5)
Checked out of our hotel, rope dropped Soarin, and then headed to the Seas for Turtle Talk x2, and some fish watching. Did the Joy and Vanellope meets, and then had lunch at Connections before heading out to MCO. My wife did a couple loops of World Showcase buying up some Christmas ornaments for the tree. 5 miles walked.
Overall thoughts
We had a pretty ambitious schedule, and no real huge hiccups. All of our kids really did well and there was minimal complaining about the heat after day 3. Parks were not very busy, and felt dead at times. Confirmed with many CM's that it was very slow that week - Star Wars land was almost a ghost town after 6pm both days we were there. Genie+ really enabled us to make more use of our time, and we got a ton of value for it. However, the ability to NOT be able to select a time further out in the future caused a lot of unnecessary walking and juggling of return times. We often would book one farther out in the future and hit low standby line time rides, but then once we got the first two out of our way, we would just book one and use it pretty much right away. In a way, the system is a lot more fair, and is closer to the MaxPass that Disneyland had when we visited, but we wish we could have the same Genie+ rules apply, but schedule a return time further ahead in the day. We would end up using it on rides that really didn't need LL, just to push our time forward for a ride that you wanted to use LL for that wasn't offering a return time that worked with what we were planning. The regular genie "service" was a joke and we never used it. For a family that has always used Disney on-site transportation, we were shocked at how much time was saved by driving our own vehicle. And by being in the park early, we got great spots and could be in our car about 5 minutes after leaving the park.
Animal Kingdom was by far the most disappointing park. The theming of each area is always been great, but we felt that there wasn't much there to tie it all together anymore. Park needs a ton of work to become magical. We even felt the rewrites of the Nemo show really actually hurt the show than helped it. The characters on the motor boats was laughable. Always felt that the park was very heavy-handed with the environmental message, but it just felt over the top now.
The rest of the parks were great. We didn't encounter any visitors that were giving CM's grief or generally being stupid, and we made sure to give plenty of kindness to the CM's who often get the short end of the stick. Felt really bad for the Kidcot CM for England who lost her voice, but still engaged with us the best she could, and appreciated us telling her to feel better soon. Had a really poor experience with many of the CM's from France, they were particularly rude and were disengaged. Told my wife maybe that's part of the theming of the French being rude to Americans, but I felt it was unnecessary. Our waitress at Mama Melrose's was absolutely a gem, made sure to keep us hydrated to stay out of heat exhaustion trouble, and brought me a kid's dessert since most everyone else at the table had a kid dessert as well.
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2023.05.14 19:47 panhandlepred Visiting fan advice
Looking at visiting Baltimore for a weekend series over the summer. Tempted to save some $$ on lodging and looking at the Home2 Suites downtown, looks like around a 20 minute walk…any concerns about this walk after a night game? Also, do they have storage lockers outside of the stadium? I visited DC several years ago and they had Binboxes outside the stadium for backpacks and such. We would be looking at flight options that might necessitate jumping on the light rail and heading to BWI straight from the game (Sunday day game) was hoping this might be an option vs backtracking to the hotel. Thanks in advance for any advice.
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2023.05.09 00:00 Johnbgt If you want to see the eclipse next year I suggest you book now
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2023.04.26 05:03 pumkinspacecats Bottom Surgery, San Francisco, August
I'll be having vaginoplasty with Dr. Min Jun in August. I'm currently neck deep in the planning stage and wondering if anybody know of or had suggestions about good places to stay for a month? I need to be near the upper bay area. I've heard his team is great on the front end but can leave you wanting some more attention after surgery...so I'm trying to find somewhere that will help me keep my peace of mind. I'm really trying to balance budget and comfort, ya know?
A friend recommended I look at Home2 Suites by Hilton. They look really simple but the idea of having access to a full kitchen that's furnished is very, very appealing. Might be lacking some of the "homey" feel that an Airbnb would offer. Plus they lean toward being very affordable compared to other options. The only issue is that the one nearby opens in mid May and idk if new hotels are a good idea.
I found a discount on Embassy Suites San Rafael by Hilton, but some YouTube video reviews have me a little concerned about the chain in general. Looks super fancy but seems all for show. Plus they are lacking some kitchen appliances and such that make the costwould of living and ease significantly easier on my support team.
Airbnb was a thought but it's sooo expensive in that area. Plus actually finding anywhere that is accessible enough for me to hobble into has been surprisingly difficult.
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2023.04.22 21:51 BisonScary Visiting Toronto. Staying in Brampton
Hi! I will be visiting Toronto in June with relatives. I booked Home2 Suites in Brampton, but I've been reading that the traffic/driving in Brampton is not so great. My relatives would be interested in HK-style cafes/restaurants. Would Markham be a better choice? Thanks!
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2023.04.18 23:21 papperonni Comparing Point Accumulation for Marriott and Hilton Stays Based on Status and Credit Card Tier
Hello! In this post, I will be comparing statuses and credit cards for Marriott and Hilton to estimate approximately how many points, and what value you get out of staying at properties in these portfolios. I will be looking at how many points you get based on your status and whether you used a property credit card or not. I am only evaluating point accumulation and not perks that come with status or cards - that is, the value of Gold/Platinum/Diamond/etc. statuses, card credits, SUBs etc. You can assess on your own how you value these bonuses versus the annual fee on each card. If you are utilizing Amex Platinum's Gold Status for Hilton and Marriott, review the "Gold" column with the "No Credit Card" row.
It has been claimed from various sources that at the moment, Hilton Points are worth approximately $0.006 each and Marriott Points are worth $0.007 each (0.6 and 0.7 cents each, respectively). It is worth noting that these points may suffer from inflation in the future and that the estimates here may not hold true in the future as these points lose value relative to the dollar. However, these chains may also grant more points for various things. Only time will tell.
Also, some Hilton and Marriott properties grant fewer points per night than other properties. Why this is, who knows. Maybe in-brand politics between different franchises and corporate. I will list these properties and their points in the "Reduced Points" table for each.
Hilton Standard Properties Points Per Dollar Spent on Property - Hilton Brands EXCLUDING Tru and Home2
Hilton Points per Dollar Spent at Hilton Standard Property | Member | Silver (20% Bonus) | Gold (80% Bonus) | Diamond (100% Bonus) |
Non-Hilton Credit Card used (+0/$) | 10 | 12 | 18 | 20 |
Hilton Honors Card (+7/$) | - | 19 | 25 | 27 |
Hilton Surpass/Business Card ($95 AF) (+12/$) | - | - | 30 | 32 |
Hilton Aspire Card ($450 AF) (+14/$) | - | - | - | 34 |
* Note: All credit cards grant some status, making some combinations in the table null. I have omitted those values.
Hilton Points Dollar Equivalent ($0.006) per Dollar Spent at Hilton Standard Property | Member | Silver (20% Bonus) | Gold (80% Bonus) | Diamond (100% Bonus) |
Non-Hilton Credit Card used (+0/$) | $0.06 | $0.072 | $0.108 | $0.12 |
Hilton Honors Card (+7/$) | - | $0.144 | $0.15 | $0.162 |
Hilton Surpass/Business Card ($95 AF) (+12/$) | - | - | $0.18 | $0.192 |
Hilton Aspire Card ($450 AF) (+14/$) | - | - | - | $0.204 |
Approx # of Nights to Stay per Free Night worth of Points at same Value* (Hilton Standard) | Member | Silver (20% Bonus) | Gold (80% Bonus) | Diamond (100% Bonus) |
Non-Hilton Credit Card used (+0/$) | 16.67 | 13.89 | 9.26 | 8.33 |
Hilton Honors Card (+7/$) | - | 8.77 | 6.67 | 6.17 |
Hilton Surpass/Business Card ($95 AF) (+12/$) | - | - | 5.56 | 5.21 |
Hilton Aspire Card ($450 AF) (+14/$) | - | - | - | 4.90 |
* Disclaimer: This is assuming that points perfectly correspond to the value of the room. It does not factor in the different points per dollar for the taxes or fees associated with a property, varying point conversions for a given room when paying with points, or variations in a room value based on date. This is purely intended to showcase the approximate expected value of return for a given status but should be taken with a grain of salt. The number of nightly stays to get one will likely go up as point value redemptions increase and point values erode.
Hilton Reduced Properties Points Per Dollar Spent on Property - Includes Tru & Home2
Hilton Points per Dollar Spent at Hilton Reduced Property | Member | Silver (20% Bonus) | Gold (80% Bonus) | Diamond (100% Bonus) |
Non-Hilton Credit Card used (+0/$) | 5 | 6 | 9 | 10 |
Hilton Honors Card (+7/$) | - | 13 | 16 | 17 |
Hilton Surpass/Business Card ($95 AF) (+12/$) | - | - | 21 | 22 |
Hilton Aspire Card ($450 AF) (+14/$) | - | - | - | 24 |
Hilton Points Dollar Equivalent ($0.006) per Dollar Spent at Hilton Reduced Property | Member | Silver (20% Bonus) | Gold (80% Bonus) | Diamond (100% Bonus) |
Non-Hilton Credit Card used (+0/$) | $0.03 | $0.036 | $0.054 | $0.06 |
Hilton Honors Card (+7/$) | - | $0.078 | $0.096 | $0.102 |
Hilton Surpass/Business Card ($95 AF) (+12/$) | - | - | $0.126 | $0.132 |
Hilton Aspire Card ($450 AF) (+14/$) | - | - | - | $0.144 |
Approx # of Nights to Stay per Free Night worth of Points at same Value* (Hilton Reduced) | Member | Silver (20% Bonus) | Gold (80% Bonus) | Diamond (100% Bonus) |
Non-Hilton Credit Card used (+0/$) | 33.33 | 27.78 | 18.52 | 16.67 |
Hilton Honors Card (+7/$) | - | 12.82 | 10.42 | 9.80 |
Hilton Surpass/Business Card ($95 AF) (+12/$) | - | - | 7.94 | 7.58 |
Hilton Aspire Card ($450 AF) (+14/$) | - | - | - | 6.94 |
*Disclaimer is identical to that for Hilton Standard
Marriott Standard Properties Points Per Dollar Spent on Property - Marriott Hotel Brands EXCLUDING Protea, Element, Residence Inn, TownePlace Suites, & Homes & Villas by Marriott International
Marriott Points per Dollar Spent at Marriott Standard Property | Member | Silver (10% Bonus) | Gold (25% Bonus) | Platinum (50% Bonus) | Titanium+ (75% Bonus) |
Non-Marriott Credit Card Used (+0/$) | 10 | 11 | 12.5 | 15 | 17.5 |
Marriott Bonvoy Bold CC (No Fee) (+3/$) | - | 14 | 15.5 | 18 | 20.5 |
Marriott Bonvoy Boundless, Bevy, Brilliant (Fee Cards) (+6/$) | - | 17 | 18.5 | 21 | 23.5 |
Marriott Points Dollar Equivalent ($0.007) per Dollar Spent at Marriott Standard Property | Member | Silver (10% Bonus) | Gold (25% Bonus) | Platinum (50% Bonus) | Titanium+ (75% Bonus) |
Non-Marriott Credit Card Used (+0/$) | $0.07 | $0.077 | $0.088 | $0.105 | $0.123 |
Marriott Bonvoy Bold CC (No Fee) (+3/$) | - | $0.098 | $0.109 | $0.126 | $0.144 |
Marriott Bonvoy Boundless, Bevy, Brilliant (Fee Cards) (+6/$) | - | $0.119 | $0.130 | $0.147 | $0.165 |
Approx # of Nights to Stay per Free Night worth of Points at same Value* (Marriott Standard) | Member | Silver (10% Bonus) | Gold (25% Bonus) | Platinum (50% Bonus) | Titanium+ (75% Bonus) |
Non-Marriott Credit Card Used (+0/$) | 14.29 | 12.99 | 11.43 | 9.52 | 8.16 |
Marriott Bonvoy Bold CC (No Fee) (+3/$) | - | 10.20 | 9.22 | 7.94 | 6.97 |
Marriott Bonvoy Boundless, Bevy, Brilliant (Fee Cards) (+6/$) | - | 8.40 | 7.72 | 6.80 | 6.08 |
*Disclaimer for this is the same as Hilton Standard
Marriott Reduced Point Properties Points Per Dollar Spent on Property - Includes Protea, Element, Residence Inn, TownePlace Suites, & Homes & Villas by Marriott International
Marriott Points per Dollar Spent at Marriott Reduced Property | Member | Silver (10% Bonus) | Gold (25% Bonus) | Platinum (50% Bonus) | Titanium+ (75% Bonus) |
Non-Marriott Credit Card Used (+0/$) | 5 | 5.5 | 6.25 | 7.5 | 8.75 |
Marriott Bonvoy Bold CC (No Fee) (+3/$) | - | 8.5 | 9.25 | 10.5 | 11.75 |
Marriott Bonvoy Boundless, Bevy, Brilliant (Fee Cards) (+6/$) | - | 11.5 | 12.25 | 13.5 | 14.75 |
Marriott Points Dollar Equivalent ($0.007) per Dollar Spent at Marriott Reduced Property | Member | Silver (10% Bonus) | Gold (25% Bonus) | Platinum (50% Bonus) | Titanium+ (75% Bonus) |
Non-Marriott Credit Card Used (+0/$) | $0.035 | $0.039 | $0.044 | $0.053 | $0.061 |
Marriott Bonvoy Bold CC (No Fee) (+3/$) | - | $0.060 | $0.065 | $0.074 | $0.082 |
Marriott Bonvoy Boundless, Bevy, Brilliant (Fee Cards) (+6/$) | - | $0.081 | $0.086 | $0.095 | $0.103 |
Approx # of Nights to Stay per Free Night worth of Points at same Value* (Marriott Reduced) | Member | Silver (10% Bonus) | Gold (25% Bonus) | Platinum (50% Bonus) | Titanium+ (75% Bonus) |
Non-Marriott Credit Card Used (+0/$) | 28.57 | 25.97 | 22.86 | 19.05 | 16.33 |
Marriott Bonvoy Bold CC (No Fee) (+3/$) | - | 16.81 | 15.44 | 13.61 | 12.16 |
Marriott Bonvoy Boundless, Bevy, Brilliant (Fee Cards) (+6/$) | - | 12.42 | 11.66 | 10.58 | 9.69 |
List of Assumptions for all Tables Above: - All point values for each tier and credit card bonuses were obtained from the current terms of service for the membership tiers and credit card descriptions respectively for Marriott and Hilton. It is assumed that % point increases provided by membership tiers do not also apply to credit card points earned. These all may be subject to change. The point values in $ are only approximate and are likely to erode in the future.
- Credit card items assume you use that credit card for the purchase. If you are using a different card like Amex Platinum, Chase Sapphire, etc., you should select the 'Non-Marriott/Hilton credit card line and compute the value of your points on the other platform separately.
- As stated above, this post only looks at raw point accumulation and does not include the benefits of a CC sign-up-bonus, statement credits, the perks given by different tiers, etc. You should assess the value of these benefits to your travel needs separately. It also does not consider promotions run by hotels such as stay for 4, pay for 3, etc.
- This analysis does not consider other purchases made by credit cards, such as those at gas stations, grocery stores, restaurants, flights, etc. Thus, the value of a given tier of credit card for these perks should be assessed separately to determine if a hotel credit card is better or if a general rewards card is better for your needs.
- The average # of nights per free night stat is a rough estimate and assumes a perfect conversion of cost per night into points based on the estimated value based on a consistent, unchanging price per night. This could be an over or underestimate due to a multitude of factors (taxes, fees, price per night, room availability, day of week, blackout dates for points) that are impossible to capture in a simplified table.
List of Conclusions: - In general, while Hilton points are worth less than Marriott points, Hilton credit cards grant better point bonuses than Marriott credit cards. However, remember that Marriott has a bigger portfolio of properties than Hilton. Many travelers will prefer a larger selection of hotels over faster point/reward accumulation.
- Marriott's $95 Boundless card provides the same point value for Marriott stays as their fancier cards. With their free night credit and lower annual fee, this card is better than their fancier cards for most customers unless you need the status or want the credits granted by their fancier cards. The $250 Bevy card has a weird hodge-podge of bonuses that are difficult to value - the 1000 bonus points per stay is worth ~$7, and at the gold level, is about equal to the number of points you would get for $80 of spending, but only applies once per reservation, not per night. I personally don't think this card is worth it, as the cheaper and more expensive card each do what they do better than this card. If you really want to go all-in with Marriott, jumping up to their $650 Brilliant Card is probably better since you can get use out of their dining credit and other card perks.
- Marriott's free "Bold" card is NOT worth it, even if only used for Marriott properties, and even though it has no fee. 3x points is only worth 2.1 cents per dollar spent (2.1% cashback), which can easily be achieved by other credit cards for a specific use case. The x2 for travel is only worth 1.4 cents per dollar spent (1.4% cashback), and x1 for other purchases is only worth 0.7 cents (0.7%) which is abysmal for a rewards credit card! If you want a Marriott credit card, the $95 Boundless card gives you more point accumulation, and the free annual night pays for the fee easily.
- As one would expect, having status with a specific hotel definitely yields benefits if you are looking at accumulating points or free nights. If you plan on staying with one chain a lot, its definitely worth looking into getting a hotel's credit card too. You should compare whether having loyalty with a specific chain surpasses the value from staying wherever is cheapest for you when using other booking sites (Hotels.com,Booking.com,Kayak,etc.). For budget travelers, you may still be better off finding whatever motel/airbnb/chain happens to be cheapest for your given stay. Remember that saving 20-30% or more per night is almost always better than even the best point accumulation if you are looking purely at money. Then again, there are many qualitative perks to getting status with one chain, like better services/treatment, more amenities, etc. For business travelers, going with one of these chains is almost always the best option if you can get your employer to reimburse you for your stays paid for with a personal credit card.
- Pay attention to what Marriott and Hilton Brands give you fewer points if your goal is to accumulate them. It feels pretty arbitrary that these give you fewer points, especially given that these brands often cost about the same amount as other Hilton/Marriott hotels, but also consider that some of them give you free breakfast/free parking/other perks depending on the circumstance. Value is not always as straightforward as what gives you the most points/costs the least.
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2023.04.18 23:20 papperonni Comparing Point Accumulation for Marriott and Hilton Stays Based on Status and Credit Card Tier
Hello! In this post, I will be comparing statuses and credit cards for Marriott and Hilton to estimate approximately how many points, and what value you get out of staying at properties in these portfolios. I will be looking at how many points you get based on your status and whether you used a property credit card or not. I am only evaluating point accumulation and not perks that come with status or cards - that is, the value of Gold/Platinum/Diamond/etc. statuses, card credits, SUBs etc. You can assess on your own how you value these bonuses versus the annual fee on each card. If you are utilizing Amex Platinum's Gold Status for Hilton and Marriott, review the "Gold" column with the "No Credit Card" row.
It has been claimed from various sources that at the moment, Hilton Points are worth approximately $0.006 each and Marriott Points are worth $0.007 each (0.6 and 0.7 cents each, respectively). It is worth noting that these points may suffer from inflation in the future and that the estimates here may not hold true in the future as these points lose value relative to the dollar. However, these chains may also grant more points for various things. Only time will tell.
Also, some Hilton and Marriott properties grant fewer points per night than other properties. Why this is, who knows. Maybe in-brand politics between different franchises and corporate. I will list these properties and their points in the "Reduced Points" table for each.
Hilton Standard Properties Points Per Dollar Spent on Property - Hilton Brands EXCLUDING Tru and Home2
Hilton Points per Dollar Spent at Hilton Standard Property | Member | Silver (20% Bonus) | Gold (80% Bonus) | Diamond (100% Bonus) |
Non-Hilton Credit Card used (+0/$) | 10 | 12 | 18 | 20 |
Hilton Honors Card (+7/$) | - | 19 | 25 | 27 |
Hilton Surpass/Business Card ($95 AF) (+12/$) | - | - | 30 | 32 |
Hilton Aspire Card ($450 AF) (+14/$) | - | - | - | 34 |
* Note: All credit cards grant some status, making some combinations in the table null. I have omitted those values.
Hilton Points Dollar Equivalent ($0.006) per Dollar Spent at Hilton Standard Property | Member | Silver (20% Bonus) | Gold (80% Bonus) | Diamond (100% Bonus) |
Non-Hilton Credit Card used (+0/$) | $0.06 | $0.072 | $0.108 | $0.12 |
Hilton Honors Card (+7/$) | - | $0.144 | $0.15 | $0.162 |
Hilton Surpass/Business Card ($95 AF) (+12/$) | - | - | $0.18 | $0.192 |
Hilton Aspire Card ($450 AF) (+14/$) | - | - | - | $0.204 |
Approx # of Nights to Stay per Free Night worth of Points at same Value* (Hilton Standard) | Member | Silver (20% Bonus) | Gold (80% Bonus) | Diamond (100% Bonus) |
Non-Hilton Credit Card used (+0/$) | 16.67 | 13.89 | 9.26 | 8.33 |
Hilton Honors Card (+7/$) | - | 8.77 | 6.67 | 6.17 |
Hilton Surpass/Business Card ($95 AF) (+12/$) | - | - | 5.56 | 5.21 |
Hilton Aspire Card ($450 AF) (+14/$) | - | - | - | 4.90 |
* Disclaimer: This is assuming that points perfectly correspond to the value of the room. It does not factor in the different points per dollar for the taxes or fees associated with a property, varying point conversions for a given room when paying with points, or variations in a room value based on date. This is purely intended to showcase the approximate expected value of return for a given status but should be taken with a grain of salt. The number of nightly stays to get one will likely go up as point value redemptions increase and point values erode.
Hilton Reduced Properties Points Per Dollar Spent on Property - Includes Tru & Home2
Hilton Points per Dollar Spent at Hilton Reduced Property | Member | Silver (20% Bonus) | Gold (80% Bonus) | Diamond (100% Bonus) |
Non-Hilton Credit Card used (+0/$) | 5 | 6 | 9 | 10 |
Hilton Honors Card (+7/$) | - | 13 | 16 | 17 |
Hilton Surpass/Business Card ($95 AF) (+12/$) | - | - | 21 | 22 |
Hilton Aspire Card ($450 AF) (+14/$) | - | - | - | 24 |
Hilton Points Dollar Equivalent ($0.006) per Dollar Spent at Hilton Reduced Property | Member | Silver (20% Bonus) | Gold (80% Bonus) | Diamond (100% Bonus) |
Non-Hilton Credit Card used (+0/$) | $0.03 | $0.036 | $0.054 | $0.06 |
Hilton Honors Card (+7/$) | - | $0.078 | $0.096 | $0.102 |
Hilton Surpass/Business Card ($95 AF) (+12/$) | - | - | $0.126 | $0.132 |
Hilton Aspire Card ($450 AF) (+14/$) | - | - | - | $0.144 |
Approx # of Nights to Stay per Free Night worth of Points at same Value* (Hilton Reduced) | Member | Silver (20% Bonus) | Gold (80% Bonus) | Diamond (100% Bonus) |
Non-Hilton Credit Card used (+0/$) | 33.33 | 27.78 | 18.52 | 16.67 |
Hilton Honors Card (+7/$) | - | 12.82 | 10.42 | 9.80 |
Hilton Surpass/Business Card ($95 AF) (+12/$) | - | - | 7.94 | 7.58 |
Hilton Aspire Card ($450 AF) (+14/$) | - | - | - | 6.94 |
*Disclaimer is identical to that for Hilton Standard
Marriott Standard Properties Points Per Dollar Spent on Property - Marriott Hotel Brands EXCLUDING Protea, Element, Residence Inn, TownePlace Suites, & Homes & Villas by Marriott International
Marriott Points per Dollar Spent at Marriott Standard Property | Member | Silver (10% Bonus) | Gold (25% Bonus) | Platinum (50% Bonus) | Titanium+ (75% Bonus) |
Non-Marriott Credit Card Used (+0/$) | 10 | 11 | 12.5 | 15 | 17.5 |
Marriott Bonvoy Bold CC (No Fee) (+3/$) | - | 14 | 15.5 | 18 | 20.5 |
Marriott Bonvoy Boundless, Bevy, Brilliant (Fee Cards) (+6/$) | - | 17 | 18.5 | 21 | 23.5 |
Marriott Points Dollar Equivalent ($0.007) per Dollar Spent at Marriott Standard Property | Member | Silver (10% Bonus) | Gold (25% Bonus) | Platinum (50% Bonus) | Titanium+ (75% Bonus) |
Non-Marriott Credit Card Used (+0/$) | $0.07 | $0.077 | $0.088 | $0.105 | $0.123 |
Marriott Bonvoy Bold CC (No Fee) (+3/$) | - | $0.098 | $0.109 | $0.126 | $0.144 |
Marriott Bonvoy Boundless, Bevy, Brilliant (Fee Cards) (+6/$) | - | $0.119 | $0.130 | $0.147 | $0.165 |
Approx # of Nights to Stay per Free Night worth of Points at same Value* (Marriott Standard) | Member | Silver (10% Bonus) | Gold (25% Bonus) | Platinum (50% Bonus) | Titanium+ (75% Bonus) |
Non-Marriott Credit Card Used (+0/$) | 14.29 | 12.99 | 11.43 | 9.52 | 8.16 |
Marriott Bonvoy Bold CC (No Fee) (+3/$) | - | 10.20 | 9.22 | 7.94 | 6.97 |
Marriott Bonvoy Boundless, Bevy, Brilliant (Fee Cards) (+6/$) | - | 8.40 | 7.72 | 6.80 | 6.08 |
*Disclaimer for this is the same as Hilton Standard
Marriott Reduced Point Properties Points Per Dollar Spent on Property - Includes Protea, Element, Residence Inn, TownePlace Suites, & Homes & Villas by Marriott International
Marriott Points per Dollar Spent at Marriott Reduced Property | Member | Silver (10% Bonus) | Gold (25% Bonus) | Platinum (50% Bonus) | Titanium+ (75% Bonus) |
Non-Marriott Credit Card Used (+0/$) | 5 | 5.5 | 6.25 | 7.5 | 8.75 |
Marriott Bonvoy Bold CC (No Fee) (+3/$) | - | 8.5 | 9.25 | 10.5 | 11.75 |
Marriott Bonvoy Boundless, Bevy, Brilliant (Fee Cards) (+6/$) | - | 11.5 | 12.25 | 13.5 | 14.75 |
Marriott Points Dollar Equivalent ($0.007) per Dollar Spent at Marriott Reduced Property | Member | Silver (10% Bonus) | Gold (25% Bonus) | Platinum (50% Bonus) | Titanium+ (75% Bonus) |
Non-Marriott Credit Card Used (+0/$) | $0.035 | $0.039 | $0.044 | $0.053 | $0.061 |
Marriott Bonvoy Bold CC (No Fee) (+3/$) | - | $0.060 | $0.065 | $0.074 | $0.082 |
Marriott Bonvoy Boundless, Bevy, Brilliant (Fee Cards) (+6/$) | - | $0.081 | $0.086 | $0.095 | $0.103 |
Approx # of Nights to Stay per Free Night worth of Points at same Value* (Marriott Reduced) | Member | Silver (10% Bonus) | Gold (25% Bonus) | Platinum (50% Bonus) | Titanium+ (75% Bonus) |
Non-Marriott Credit Card Used (+0/$) | 28.57 | 25.97 | 22.86 | 19.05 | 16.33 |
Marriott Bonvoy Bold CC (No Fee) (+3/$) | - | 16.81 | 15.44 | 13.61 | 12.16 |
Marriott Bonvoy Boundless, Bevy, Brilliant (Fee Cards) (+6/$) | - | 12.42 | 11.66 | 10.58 | 9.69 |
List of Assumptions for all Tables Above: - All point values for each tier and credit card bonuses were obtained from the current terms of service for the membership tiers and credit card descriptions respectively for Marriott and Hilton. It is assumed that % point increases provided by membership tiers do not also apply to credit card points earned. These all may be subject to change. The point values in $ are only approximate and are likely to erode in the future.
- Credit card items assume you use that credit card for the purchase. If you are using a different card like Amex Platinum, Chase Sapphire, etc., you should select the 'Non-Marriott/Hilton credit card line and compute the value of your points on the other platform separately.
- As stated above, this post only looks at raw point accumulation and does not include the benefits of a CC sign-up-bonus, statement credits, the perks given by different tiers, etc. You should assess the value of these benefits to your travel needs separately. It also does not consider promotions run by hotels such as stay for 4, pay for 3, etc.
- This analysis does not consider other purchases made by credit cards, such as those at gas stations, grocery stores, restaurants, flights, etc. Thus, the value of a given tier of credit card for these perks should be assessed separately to determine if a hotel credit card is better or if a general rewards card is better for your needs.
- The average # of nights per free night stat is a rough estimate and assumes a perfect conversion of cost per night into points based on the estimated value based on a consistent, unchanging price per night. This could be an over or underestimate due to a multitude of factors (taxes, fees, price per night, room availability, day of week, blackout dates for points) that are impossible to capture in a simplified table.
List of Conclusions: - In general, while Hilton points are worth less than Marriott points, Hilton credit cards grant better point bonuses than Marriott credit cards. However, remember that Marriott has a bigger portfolio of properties than Hilton. Many travelers will prefer a larger selection of hotels over faster point/reward accumulation.
- Marriott's $95 Boundless card provides the same point value for Marriott stays as their fancier cards. With their free night credit and lower annual fee, this card is better than their fancier cards for most customers unless you need the status or want the credits granted by their fancier cards. The $250 Bevy card has a weird hodge-podge of bonuses that are difficult to value - the 1000 bonus points per stay is worth ~$7, and at the gold level, is about equal to the number of points you would get for $80 of spending, but only applies once per reservation, not per night. I personally don't think this card is worth it, as the cheaper and more expensive card each do what they do better than this card. If you really want to go all-in with Marriott, jumping up to their $650 Brilliant Card is probably better since you can get use out of their dining credit and other card perks.
- Marriott's free "Bold" card is NOT worth it, even if only used for Marriott properties, and even though it has no fee. 3x points is only worth 2.1 cents per dollar spent (2.1% cashback), which can easily be achieved by other credit cards for a specific use case. The x2 for travel is only worth 1.4 cents per dollar spent (1.4% cashback), and x1 for other purchases is only worth 0.7 cents (0.7%) which is abysmal for a rewards credit card! If you want a Marriott credit card, the $95 Boundless card gives you more point accumulation, and the free annual night pays for the fee easily.
- As one would expect, having status with a specific hotel definitely yields benefits if you are looking at accumulating points or free nights. If you plan on staying with one chain a lot, its definitely worth looking into getting a hotel's credit card too. You should compare whether having loyalty with a specific chain surpasses the value from staying wherever is cheapest for you when using other booking sites (Hotels.com,Booking.com,Kayak,etc.). For budget travelers, you may still be better off finding whatever motel/airbnb/chain happens to be cheapest for your given stay. Remember that saving 20-30% or more per night is almost always better than even the best point accumulation if you are looking purely at money. Then again, there are many qualitative perks to getting status with one chain, like better services/treatment, more amenities, etc. For business travelers, going with one of these chains is almost always the best option if you can get your employer to reimburse you for your stays paid for with a personal credit card.
- Pay attention to what Marriott and Hilton Brands give you fewer points if your goal is to accumulate them. It feels pretty arbitrary that these give you fewer points, especially given that these brands often cost about the same amount as other Hilton/Marriott hotels, but also consider that some of them give you free breakfast/free parking/other perks depending on the circumstance. Value is not always as straightforward as what gives you the most points/costs the least.
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2023.04.18 23:15 papperonni Comparing Point Accumulation for Marriott and Hilton Stays Based on Status and Credit Card Tier
Hello! In this post, I will be comparing statuses and credit cards for Marriott and Hilton to estimate approximately how many points, and what value you get out of staying at properties in these portfolios. I will be looking at how many points you get based on your status and whether you used a property credit card or not. I am only evaluating point accumulation and not perks that come with status or cards - that is, the value of Gold/Platinum/Diamond/etc. statuses, card credits, SUBs etc. You can assess on your own how you value these bonuses versus the annual fee on each card. If you are utilizing Amex Platinum's Gold Status for Hilton and Marriott, review the "Gold" column with the "No Credit Card" row.
It has been claimed from various sources that at the moment, Hilton Points are worth approximately $0.006 each and Marriott Points are worth $0.007 each (0.6 and 0.7 cents each, respectively). It is worth noting that these points may suffer from inflation in the future and that the estimates here may not hold true in the future as these points lose value relative to the dollar. However, these chains may also grant more points for various things. Only time will tell. In general, the best policy is not to hoard points, and try to enjoy them whenever you have enough to enjoy a trip you want to take.
Also, some Hilton and Marriott properties grant fewer points per night than other properties. Why this is, who knows. Maybe in-brand politics between different franchises and corporate. I will list these properties and their points in the "Reduced Points" table for each. If there is interest, I can repeat this exercise for other hotel chains like Wyndham, Choice, IHG, MGM, Caesars etc.
Hilton Standard Properties Points Per Dollar Spent on Property - Hilton Brands EXCLUDING Tru and Home2
Hilton Points per Dollar Spent at Hilton Standard Property | Member | Silver (20% Bonus) | Gold (80% Bonus) | Diamond (100% Bonus) |
Non-Hilton Credit Card used (+0/$) | 10 | 12 | 18 | 20 |
Hilton Honors Card (+7/$) | - | 19 | 25 | 27 |
Hilton Surpass/Business Card ($95 AF) (+12/$) | - | - | 30 | 32 |
Hilton Aspire Card ($450 AF) (+14/$) | - | - | - | 34 |
* Note: All credit cards grant some status, making some combinations in the table null. I have omitted those values.
Hilton Points Dollar Equivalent ($0.006) per Dollar Spent at Hilton Standard Property | Member | Silver (20% Bonus) | Gold (80% Bonus) | Diamond (100% Bonus) |
Non-Hilton Credit Card used (+0/$) | $0.06 | $0.072 | $0.108 | $0.12 |
Hilton Honors Card (+7/$) | - | $0.144 | $0.15 | $0.162 |
Hilton Surpass/Business Card ($95 AF) (+12/$) | - | - | $0.18 | $0.192 |
Hilton Aspire Card ($450 AF) (+14/$) | - | - | - | $0.204 |
Approx # of Nights to Stay per Free Night worth of Points at same Value* (Hilton Standard) | Member | Silver (20% Bonus) | Gold (80% Bonus) | Diamond (100% Bonus) |
Non-Hilton Credit Card used (+0/$) | 16.67 | 13.89 | 9.26 | 8.33 |
Hilton Honors Card (+7/$) | - | 8.77 | 6.67 | 6.17 |
Hilton Surpass/Business Card ($95 AF) (+12/$) | - | - | 5.56 | 5.21 |
Hilton Aspire Card ($450 AF) (+14/$) | - | - | - | 4.90 |
* Disclaimer: This is assuming that points perfectly correspond to the value of the room. It does not factor in the different points per dollar for the taxes or fees associated with a property, varying point conversions for a given room when paying with points, or variations in a room value based on date. This is purely intended to showcase the approximate expected value of return for a given status but should be taken with a grain of salt. The number of nightly stays to get one will likely go up as point value redemptions increase and point values erode.
Hilton Reduced Properties Points Per Dollar Spent on Property - Includes Tru & Home2
Hilton Points per Dollar Spent at Hilton Reduced Property | Member | Silver (20% Bonus) | Gold (80% Bonus) | Diamond (100% Bonus) |
Non-Hilton Credit Card used (+0/$) | 5 | 6 | 9 | 10 |
Hilton Honors Card (+7/$) | - | 13 | 16 | 17 |
Hilton Surpass/Business Card ($95 AF) (+12/$) | - | - | 21 | 22 |
Hilton Aspire Card ($450 AF) (+14/$) | - | - | - | 24 |
Hilton Points Dollar Equivalent ($0.006) per Dollar Spent at Hilton Reduced Property | Member | Silver (20% Bonus) | Gold (80% Bonus) | Diamond (100% Bonus) |
Non-Hilton Credit Card used (+0/$) | $0.03 | $0.036 | $0.054 | $0.06 |
Hilton Honors Card (+7/$) | - | $0.078 | $0.096 | $0.102 |
Hilton Surpass/Business Card ($95 AF) (+12/$) | - | - | $0.126 | $0.132 |
Hilton Aspire Card ($450 AF) (+14/$) | - | - | - | $0.144 |
Approx # of Nights to Stay per Free Night worth of Points at same Value* (Hilton Reduced) | Member | Silver (20% Bonus) | Gold (80% Bonus) | Diamond (100% Bonus) |
Non-Hilton Credit Card used (+0/$) | 33.33 | 27.78 | 18.52 | 16.67 |
Hilton Honors Card (+7/$) | - | 12.82 | 10.42 | 9.80 |
Hilton Surpass/Business Card ($95 AF) (+12/$) | - | - | 7.94 | 7.58 |
Hilton Aspire Card ($450 AF) (+14/$) | - | - | - | 6.94 |
*Disclaimer is identical to that for Hilton Standard
Marriott Standard Properties Points Per Dollar Spent on Property - Marriott Hotel Brands EXCLUDING Protea, Element, Residence Inn, TownePlace Suites, & Homes & Villas by Marriott International
Marriott Points per Dollar Spent at Marriott Standard Property | Member | Silver (10% Bonus) | Gold (25% Bonus) | Platinum (50% Bonus) | Titanium+ (75% Bonus) |
Non-Marriott Credit Card Used (+0/$) | 10 | 11 | 12.5 | 15 | 17.5 |
Marriott Bonvoy Bold CC (No Fee) (+3/$) | - | 14 | 15.5 | 18 | 20.5 |
Marriott Bonvoy Boundless, Bevy, Brilliant (Fee Cards) (+6/$) | - | 17 | 18.5 | 21 | 23.5 |
Marriott Points Dollar Equivalent ($0.007) per Dollar Spent at Marriott Standard Property | Member | Silver (10% Bonus) | Gold (25% Bonus) | Platinum (50% Bonus) | Titanium+ (75% Bonus) |
Non-Marriott Credit Card Used (+0/$) | $0.07 | $0.077 | $0.088 | $0.105 | $0.123 |
Marriott Bonvoy Bold CC (No Fee) (+3/$) | - | $0.098 | $0.109 | $0.126 | $0.144 |
Marriott Bonvoy Boundless, Bevy, Brilliant (Fee Cards) (+6/$) | - | $0.119 | $0.130 | $0.147 | $0.165 |
Approx # of Nights to Stay per Free Night worth of Points at same Value* (Marriott Standard) | Member | Silver (10% Bonus) | Gold (25% Bonus) | Platinum (50% Bonus) | Titanium+ (75% Bonus) |
Non-Marriott Credit Card Used (+0/$) | 14.29 | 12.99 | 11.43 | 9.52 | 8.16 |
Marriott Bonvoy Bold CC (No Fee) (+3/$) | - | 10.20 | 9.22 | 7.94 | 6.97 |
Marriott Bonvoy Boundless, Bevy, Brilliant (Fee Cards) (+6/$) | - | 8.40 | 7.72 | 6.80 | 6.08 |
*Disclaimer for this is the same as Hilton Standard
Marriott Reduced Point Properties Points Per Dollar Spent on Property - Includes Protea, Element, Residence Inn, TownePlace Suites, & Homes & Villas by Marriott International
Marriott Points per Dollar Spent at Marriott Reduced Property | Member | Silver (10% Bonus) | Gold (25% Bonus) | Platinum (50% Bonus) | Titanium+ (75% Bonus) |
Non-Marriott Credit Card Used (+0/$) | 5 | 5.5 | 6.25 | 7.5 | 8.75 |
Marriott Bonvoy Bold CC (No Fee) (+3/$) | - | 8.5 | 9.25 | 10.5 | 11.75 |
Marriott Bonvoy Boundless, Bevy, Brilliant (Fee Cards) (+6/$) | - | 11.5 | 12.25 | 13.5 | 14.75 |
Marriott Points Dollar Equivalent ($0.007) per Dollar Spent at Marriott Reduced Property | Member | Silver (10% Bonus) | Gold (25% Bonus) | Platinum (50% Bonus) | Titanium+ (75% Bonus) |
Non-Marriott Credit Card Used (+0/$) | $0.035 | $0.039 | $0.044 | $0.053 | $0.061 |
Marriott Bonvoy Bold CC (No Fee) (+3/$) | - | $0.060 | $0.065 | $0.074 | $0.082 |
Marriott Bonvoy Boundless, Bevy, Brilliant (Fee Cards) (+6/$) | - | $0.081 | $0.086 | $0.095 | $0.103 |
Approx # of Nights to Stay per Free Night worth of Points at same Value* (Marriott Reduced) | Member | Silver (10% Bonus) | Gold (25% Bonus) | Platinum (50% Bonus) | Titanium+ (75% Bonus) |
Non-Marriott Credit Card Used (+0/$) | 28.57 | 25.97 | 22.86 | 19.05 | 16.33 |
Marriott Bonvoy Bold CC (No Fee) (+3/$) | - | 16.81 | 15.44 | 13.61 | 12.16 |
Marriott Bonvoy Boundless, Bevy, Brilliant (Fee Cards) (+6/$) | - | 12.42 | 11.66 | 10.58 | 9.69 |
List of Assumptions for all Tables Above: - All point values for each tier and credit card bonuses were obtained from the current terms of service for the membership tiers and credit card descriptions respectively for Marriott and Hilton. It is assumed that % point increases provided by membership tiers do not also apply to credit card points earned. These all may be subject to change. The point values in $ are only approximate and are likely to erode in the future.
- Credit card items assume you use that credit card for the purchase. If you are using a different card like Amex Platinum, Chase Sapphire, etc., you should select the 'Non-Marriott/Hilton credit card line and compute the value of your points on the other platform separately.
- As stated above, this post only looks at raw point accumulation and does not include the benefits of a CC sign-up-bonus, statement credits, the perks given by different tiers, etc. You should assess the value of these benefits to your travel needs separately. It also does not consider promotions run by hotels such as stay for 4, pay for 3, etc.
- This analysis does not consider other purchases made by credit cards, such as those at gas stations, grocery stores, restaurants, flights, etc. Thus, the value of a given tier of credit card for these perks should be assessed separately to determine if a hotel credit card is better or if a general rewards card is better for your needs.
- The average # of nights per free night stat is a rough estimate and assumes a perfect conversion of cost per night into points based on the estimated value based on a consistent, unchanging price per night. This could be an over or underestimate due to a multitude of factors (taxes, fees, price per night, room availability, day of week, blackout dates for points) that are impossible to capture in a simplified table.
List of Conclusions: - In general, while Hilton points are worth less than Marriott points, Hilton credit cards grant better point bonuses than Marriott credit cards. However, remember that Marriott has a bigger portfolio of properties than Hilton. Many travelers will prefer a larger selection of hotels over faster point/reward accumulation.
- Marriott's $95 Boundless card provides the same point value for Marriott stays as their fancier cards. With their free night credit and lower annual fee, this card is better than their fancier cards for most customers unless you need the status or want the credits granted by their fancier cards. The $250 Bevy card has a weird hodge-podge of bonuses that are difficult to value - the 1000 bonus points per stay is worth ~$7, and at the gold level, is about equal to the number of points you would get for $80 of spending, but only applies once per reservation, not per night. I personally don't think this card is worth it, as the cheaper and more expensive card each do what they do better than this card. If you really want to go all-in with Marriott, jumping up to their $650 Brilliant Card is probably better since you can get use out of their dining credit and other card perks.
- Marriott's free "Bold" card is NOT worth it, even if only used for Marriott properties, and even though it has no fee. 3x points is only worth 2.1 cents per dollar spent (2.1% cashback), which can easily be achieved by other credit cards for a specific use case. The x2 for travel is only worth 1.4 cents per dollar spent (1.4% cashback), and x1 for other purchases is only worth 0.7 cents (0.7%) which is abysmal for a rewards credit card! If you want a Marriott credit card, the $95 Boundless card gives you more point accumulation, and the free annual night pays for the fee easily.
- As one would expect, having status with a specific hotel definitely yields benefits if you are looking at accumulating points or free nights. If you plan on staying with one chain a lot, its definitely worth looking into getting a hotel's credit card too. You should compare whether having loyalty with a specific chain surpasses the value from staying wherever is cheapest for you when using other booking sites (Hotels.com,Booking.com,Kayak,etc.). For budget travelers, you may still be better off finding whatever motel/airbnb/chain happens to be cheapest for your given stay. Remember that saving 20-30% or more per night is almost always better than even the best point accumulation if you are looking purely at money. Then again, there are many qualitative perks to getting status with one chain, like better services/treatment, more amenities, etc. For business travelers, going with one of these chains is almost always the best option if you can get your employer to reimburse you for your stays paid for with a personal credit card.
- Pay attention to what Marriott and Hilton Brands give you fewer points if your goal is to accumulate them. It feels pretty arbitrary that these give you fewer points, especially given that these brands often cost about the same amount as other Hilton/Marriott hotels, but also consider that some of them give you free breakfast/free parking/other perks depending on the circumstance. Value is not always as straightforward as what gives you the most points/costs the least.
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2023.03.27 19:59 askandexplain2 Maximize Hotel stays card (s)? Thinking IHG premier
Trying to get points for stays in hotels. Looking for hotel (loyalty) card for now. Thinking of signing up for the IHG Premier due to the elevated SUB, which I feel will expire by the 1st week of April. Want a hotel card (s) no loyalty per se. I usually am fine with 3-star hotels and tend to be a solo traveler. More below. I hope it makes sense.
· Current cards:. AMEX Every day card, $22,000 limit, CSP $12,500 CFU $17,500 limit,
o AMEX opened (2020)
· FICO Score: 818 per Experian, TU/Vanntage:798
· Oldest account age: 15 years
· Chase 5/24 status: 1/24 (CSP opened 4/5/2021)
· Income: e.g. $105,000
· Average monthly spend and categories:
o dining $300 or $3300/year
o groceries: $300 or $3300/year
o gas: roughly $150/month
o travel: $1500-2000/ year??
o other: varies (medical, shopping)
o Total credit spend: $2000/month $24000/year
· Open to Business Cards: No
· What's the purpose of your next card? Travel. Particularly hotel stays. Most places I have traveled to in the past, I have stayed with family or friends. Now it is changing. Next month(end of April) I travel locally (US) and already have an IHG property reserved booked (Will pay at checkout). When I visit NYC I stay at an IHG property no more than one or two nights. There is a Hilton near that IHG property. However, some places that I want to travel to where I would potentially need a hotel would be Seattle-TAC, Oakland/SFO, New Orleans, Las Vegas, Colombia, Cuba, UK, South Africa, & maybe Ghana.
- I tend to just stay at 3-star hotels with good ratings***.*** All I need is cleanliness and, in the past, free parking. Rather “splurge” on food and experience.
- If it matters - I fly out of DC or BWI. So my airline options are varied. But SW has a lot of direct flights to my parents, or friends.
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· Do you have any cards you've been looking at? IHG premier, right now***.*** With the 175,000 SUB and free Global Entry credit this year that I can use for a family member I figure it pays for itself. The 4th night free may work out in the future but it seems that can only be redeemed with points rather than pay cash. I have heard that the IHG premier sucks as a general spend card after the SUB purchases. (agree?)
Right now, while I have stayed at Hiltons (Home2 suites), I don’t think I need the Hilton Aspire (right now) because 1) I don’t need priority pass as I usually pay the premium for direct flights and I am not sure if there are PP lounges in South America or Africa. 2) Currently no plans to stay at a resort but could maybe go to Vegas this fall/Winter. Could pick it up end of summer maybe?
· Are you OK with category spending or do you want a general spending card*? A little confused about what this question is asking.*
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